That line, between the stuff you can change, that you wanna deliver and update and push and all that, above - that’s the application. They’re there, and you can use them, but you can’t change them. And some of those dependencies are things that you, the application team, cannot change. It’s a very complex application now, because it’s the cloud, and things are complicated… And it’s got dependencies, like Sam said. So from our perspective, the goal is the delivery application. Outside of that context it’s just structure, I guess. It’s the structure below… But below what? In our case, it’s below the application. Infrastructure as a term - it only makes sense relative to something above it. Yeah, I think that infrastructure is a relative term. This is what we’re all trying to achieve right now with Dagger, is a programmable environment for developers to develop their internal platform. And what we realized is in building this they were missing something in the middle, that is still missing, actually, because Dagger is not well known yet… And this missing thing is a way to program everything they have to do in order to bring a code locally, all the way to dev staging and production. Sometimes they call it CI/CD, CI/CD pipeline, internal platform, whatever is the term, but it’s always the same thing. We interviewed a lot of different companies… And what we learned along the way was all companies - small, medium and large - are building an internal platform for application delivery. Solomon was actually a partner, he can share more about that experience… And we spent all of this time talking to people and learning about their problems. So we did that at the end of 2018, went to YC, participated to the batch winter ‘19. So that was the initial goal before starting the Dagger project - it was about starting a company to work together on something that matters to us. It took us a while to realize that the most important thing for us was to actually work together. We spent a few years at Docker, all of us, and Solomon was the founder, and we worked for many years for Docker, and to make Docker successful… And around 2018 we all decided to do something different in our life. Get started with a free 14-day trial, head to and join thousands of customer-centric software teams who use Raygun every day. Raygun – With Raygun Error and Performance Monitoring you have all the information you need at your fingertips to quickly find and fix errors and performance issues across your tech stack down to the line of code. Learn more and sign up for free at incident.io - no credit card required. Each incident gets their own Slack channel plus a high-res dashboard at incident.io with the entire timeline from report to resolution. This command lets you share updates, assign roles, set important links and more – all without ever leaving the incident channel. Use the /incident command to create and manage incidents. Incident.io – Create, manage, and resolve incidents directly in Slack. Join the swarm and try Honeycomb free today at honeycomb.io/changelog When production is running slow, it’s hard to know where problems originate: is it your application code, users, or the underlying systems? With Honeycomb you get a fast, unified, and clear understanding of the one thing driving your business: production. Learn more and start your database in seconds at Everything you want to control is available through the beautifully designed PlanetScale CLI. Never think about database servers again. PlanetScale – PlanetScale is the only serverless database platform you can start in an instant and scale indefinitely with unlimited connections.
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